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Making Hard Money Make Sense

Question:

I use a little hard money, but not very savy about it.

To buy and hold seems like you need to leave a lot of skin in the game. 20% on either conventional or hard money. Hard money at 60-65 of todays market value on longer terms . If I buy at a 20% discount … I still need about 20% down

With the average multi unit in the Hood of SD will cash flow 1000k a month with 100 percent financing @ 9 % and 200k-250 purchase price. Since that does seem possible, thats a 40k hit without repairs. I can only do so many of these deals…..I want to do a lot…..

How do I finance or purchase other wise with keeping some skin!???

P.S I ordered your REO 101 package yesterday…Im sure there will be some good stuff in there!

Answer:

First, thanks for the ordering course.

Now, on the stuff I buy to keep – my goal is always to refi and get 100% of my money out of the property and still have at least $100 of monthly “real net profit” (that means after ALL the expenses- PITI- vacancy & credit loss, maintenance & 10% management.) So I try to buy at 50% to 60 % of ARV (after repair value or fix-up value) This is does not happen everyday, but those type of buys must make up at least 50% of my purchases. Now keep in mind that those are fixers where I’m forecasting spending 10% to 20% of the ARV on buying & repair costs as well as 10% to 20% on holding and selling costs. Keep in mind that since I don’t read minds or crystal balls, I don’t know when the market will change so…

When I buy, the property must jump through 2 hurdles: buy & sell and buy & hold.

Many times I’m purchasing properties where the repairs or other costs are less than my worst case scenario and that is typically reflected in a higher purchase price or percentage of purchase price to ARV, such as paying 70% of ARV.

OK, keeping in mind that the real estate market can change at any one moment, you must plan your attack with several acquisition strategies to assure your desired outcome. You MUST have more than just one method of catching the prey, especially if your long-term goal is to “hold it,” until it gets fat and juicy, while eating the eggs it produces periodically, and that is as good an analogy as possible – the chicken!

Even if you are flush with cash, if you believe and are banking on benefiting from appreciation, financing will be both your salvation and your weakness. Part of your daily tasks should equally include both the pursuit of leverage and new inventory, for you cannot continue to grow without both.

Do not limit your thinking nor listen to your well-informed logical thought process when it comes to your acquisitions of both of these needed components because the secret to acquire both to fill your coffers will come from consistent, relentless and unrelenting pursuit of both simultaneously, regardless of your own thinking (past, present or future continued imagined results). Almost daily you will have to wipe your opinionated-mind clean of your own “bull shit” thoughts and perceived conclusions and re-fix your focus on your deliberate chosen actions.

Financing is available from one of several sources

1- your cash stores

2- conventional lenders (FNMA up to 10, but really 4 to 5 properties)

3- local commercial banks – 5 to 10 (but really limited only by your finances and relationships)

4- hard money- same as #3

5- true investors, as in older real estate people that have been in and understand the business and now just want to get checks instead of managing properties (they are everywhere) – search in real estate offices; start with agents and their clients, referrals. Also, ads in a large newspaper like the LA Times- although these folks are typically looking for short term type investments; it’s all about returns.

6- Other retirees looking for better returns than the bank can provide- there are thousands- try to stay local when looking for these folks. People that prepare tax returns such as CPA’s or enrolled agents are a great source for people that earn good wages and need to find investments to give them either tax shelter or additional income to off-set their increasing tax liability.

7- Other investors like yourself looking to partner up with someone who has any of the components they perceive (or have actually identified) as missing from their own tool box needed to do this business. Local investor clubs are a very good source for these folks.

8- Check out the Homepath financing available to investors on FNMA Homepath approved properties. You can get up to 10 and the financing is superior to anything on the market. You may be paying a higher price for the properties, but when you add in the financing component it may make mucho sense. I personally am trying to buy 10. They identify several approved lenders to work with on their site. Make sure to confirm they have closed prior deals and are presently active doing these type loans with FNMA.

These are just a few tips to sort of jar your own mind and get you to start thinking in a different direction instead of just hard money for long-term financing.

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Estimating Repair Cost

Question:

I have decided to focus on rehabbing. My big stumbling point now is that I am unsure on how to estimate rehab costs, and the best ways to find contractors. What would you suggest I do in the meantime till your class starts, as I really want to get started as soon as possible?

Answer:

The “best” way to do anything is usually different for all of us. Since everything I do is local, meaning I do all of my investing within a small geographical area, my business model is front loaded. That is, I typically invest a larger amount of time at the beginning to find experienced, reliable professionals who have proven themselves in my market. By this I mean, they have already been tested by someone else. This applies when trying to add ANYONE to my team including real estate agents, brokers, attorneys, insurance brokers, termite inspectors, property inspectors, appraisers, lenders and all types of contractors and handy men.

Now let me attempt to answer your questions more specifically…

1 – “Finding” a worthwhile contractor: If you want to find a worthwhile contractor, speak to real estate agents that have been utilizing the services of such contractors for many years. They will typically know who the good ones are as well as the bad ones. Keep in mind, these brokers should be REO brokers who are accustomed to using Fannie Mae approved vendors. In some cases, these contractors may be more expensive than a typical handy man. However, they may be better equipped to provide you with quick and accurate repair estimates than a typical handy man. These vendors may also be found on the actual Fannie Mae website.

Also, Home Depot as well as Lowes both have a department called the “Pros Desk,” here is where all your area contractors with credit lines repeatedly pay for their material purchases in order to have their purchases reviewed to lock in their discounts (10-20% off retail prices). The folks that man the counter are very familiar with the contractors and handy men who are presently active in your market place. Make friends with these home improvement store employees and they can easily direct you to contractors who may be worth using.

A third resource for contractors would be other local investors you might befriend. To find them, simply attend a local investors club meeting and make your request known to everyone there. Either individually or ask to speak to the group before the meeting.

You can also write a short note to other investors in your area requesting a referral for a local handyman or contractor that they use for repairs on their rental properties. You can easily obtain the contact information for these investors by requesting your local title company to pull the list of absentee property owners in your market which is public information and available to everyone or you can look it up yourself on the internet, assuming you have access to county records data. You might even add a financial incentive like taking them to lunch. After all, it may be a great opportunity to meet someone who can sell you their property at a discount or finance your deals if they have too much cash sitting around doing nothing or partner up with you and finance your whole operation or any other idea your creative mind can think of on how to benefit from meeting and building business relationships with these local investors while talking to them about finding a contractor or handy man. Just so you know I have used this technique myself over the years and it paid off very well.

With respect to “finding,” choosing, or hiring a worthwhile contractor or handyman it is imperative that you seek a referral from someone who has already used them successfully several times. One less reliable method is to drive your local neighborhoods and look for houses that are presently being rehabbed and speak to the contractors doing the work. However, I cannot caution you enough about hiring someone straight out of the phone book, newspaper or advertising from flyers or local recyclers or a referral from someone who has only used the contractor once… this is setting yourself up for a HUGE disappointment!

2 – Estimating repair costs: Again, there’s NO substitution for experience! The best way of accurately estimating the repair costs of a fixer upper property is to already have done it hundreds of times. Remember it’s not only accurately estimating repair costs of what you can identify but it’s having the experience of where to look for evidence of problems that are not clearly and easily visible. These are the explosions that will eat up your profit by becoming the “extras” that your contractor will be more than HAPPY to rectify!

Since you obviously do not have this wealth of knowledge as I have already mentioned – find a reliable contractor with a verifiable track record and have him do this for you. Most contractors will provide this service at no cost to you in hopes of getting the job to repair the property. However, some may charge you a minimal fee and then credit it back to you as part of the contract for the job should you decide to hire them.

Another option is to hire an actual property inspector. Again, they must be someone who has proven themselves and comes referred to you by other professionals you respect in your specific market area. These folks will charge for their labor and their cost can range from $100 to several hundred dollars for a complete inspection. I suggest that whatever method you choose to use, I HIGHLY recommend that you are ALWAYS present during the inspections at least, at the beginning of your real estate career. Come equipped with a video camera and digital recorder and be prepared to interview the property inspector or contractor as they walk the property documenting the needed repairs as thoroughly as you would interrogate a terrorist incarcerated in Guantanamo minus the water boarding! Consider the cost of these inspections as part of your initial real estate education. You’re paying for it, so make it count!

Documenting on video and audio your before and after inspections of your properties will become extremely valuable over time in many different ways from capturing an accurate record of all your decisions helping you write up detailed work lists for your contractors and in settling any disputes when your contractor accidentally forgets some of the items he initially agreed to repair. You will also be able to use this information when soliciting financing from private investors. It is an excellent tool in demonstrating your performance.

Over time, you can develop a system which breaks down your cost of repairs by a specific metric, such as a dollar per square foot cost. This method can be applied to each specific improvement such as paint, stucco, plumbing, carpentry, electrical, air conditioning and heating, windows, doors, flooring, landscaping, etc. Iit can also be broken down into more detail like interior/exterior repairs and improvements or as a general overall price per square foot of the entire rehab. After a while, you will be able to walk through a property and quickly calculate what the overall total cost of repairs will be within a 10-20% margin of error.

Your objective should be to get to the point where you’re able to accurately estimate your rehab cost even though, for the most part, your contractor will be the one actually repairing the estimates.

Remember you will be the one who does the initial inspection before you make the offer so you must sharpen your skills so that ultimately, you rely on YOUR ability to identify a worthwhile project.
I hope I have answered your questions to your satisfaction.

Your friend always,
Uncle Tony

Question:

Uncle Tony,
Thanks for your answer, but this is also were I get confused. To rehab a building for a novice like me, who do you call? A general contractor or a home inspector? or both? I am confused.

Answer:

1-To answer your question directly- to rehab a property you should use a professional who does rehab work, such as a licensed and insured contractor (preferably one that has been referred to you by someone you trust that has used that same contractor several times successfully).

2- For an initial inspection to assess and estimate the actual repairs (IF YOU CAN’T OR DON’T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS YOURSELF) hire a reputable property inspector local to your community, who is experienced with inspecting properties in disrepair (most home inspectors typically inspect properties for only the items that are easily visible) or a licensed contractor that is willing to do this for you economically, typically because he is hoping to get hired to complete the rehab.

“Home inspector” inspects property for a fee.
Contractors do rehab and construction and sometimes also inspect properties for the purpose of estimating the repairs that they are hopefully going to get hired to complete; get it?

NOTE- In both cases REMEMBER to hire someone that comes referred to you by someone you trust that has used that professional in the past on several occasions successfully.

Your friend always,
Uncle Tony

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Best areas to invest in multi-family units

Question:

Hi Tony,
Your presentation at SDCIA on Tuesday was great! Thank you for sharing your insight.
I have a question. I am currently in the process of building my real estate investment biz (I am using your free starter kit to help me). My plan is to form an entity, (my atty recommnds C corp) and start acquiring 4 to 8 unit apartment buildings to build residual positive cash flow. My next phase will be to invest in Fix and Flips.

My question is; In what area should I start acquiring apartment buildings?

I currently have my eye on San Diego, Las Vegas, Pheonix, Orlando and Tampa based on research that suggests that these are strong rental markets.

Would you advise against any of these areas and are there other areas that should also consider?

Thank you in advance for your input.
-GT

Answer:

Hi GT, and thank you for your question.

The fast answer is… I don’t have a clue. The obvious reason is presently I’m not investing in multi-residential income properties in those markets. Therefore, I simply have no need to know. Any “opinion” I would share would be just that, an “opinion” — hardly worth your time to hear.

Presently I’m focused on buying 1 to 4 residential properties and whenever possible I prefer them to ALL be detached single family dwellings with their own small private yard areas.

Also, since we handle our own property management, I am presently only buying within an hour drive from my office (located in the Antelope Valley), so my opinion of any of your preliminary markets is really not valid.

However, if you started completing the Free Starter Kit, then you already know the first thing you must deal with is Choosing a Target Market (and knowing it better than anyone else.)

The choosing of a specific place (or geographical location) to start buying apartments (or anything for that matter) is very strategic and unfortunately ALWAYS entirely up to YOU to decide. The reason for this should be obvious — it’s simply YOUR money, credit, time and effort.

You have to go through the process (learning curve) of HOW TO identify a location that is going to feed you the type of property, tenants and cash flow at the prices you think you will need to be profitable.

As far as my or anybody’s “opinion” as to whether one state or city is better or worse than another… well, honestly I would have to go through exactly the same steps I suggest that you take in the Free Started Kit to arrive at the same conclusion, so why repeat the effort?

Seek information and advice from investors who already own the same type of property you are interested in, and other real estate professionals (i.e. appraisers, insurance agents, etc. — not just the brokers and agents who specialize in that type of property who stand to get paid when you buy and not when you don’t — although honestly, they are an important part of your initial investigation.) The key is that you consult MANY individuals who have first hand experience of that market not just opinions they’ve read or heard from somebody else.)

In the past, I have purchased apartments of all sizes, shapes, types and locations in many Target Markets. I have used both a buy, fix & flip to other long-term hold investors model, and a buy, fix & hold long-term model as well.

Since I do not know your level of experience in the business I will caution you about a few things (if I may…)

1. Try to stick with properties as close to where you are physically at the beginning as this will help you to manage your tenants and/or your managers more effectively and with minimal stress and expense. (NO ONE WILL EVER MAKE DECISIONS IN YOUR BEST INTEREST AS WELL AS YOU WILL.)

2. Do all your research about the area and such, but remember you do not have to know EVERYTHING before starting to make offers. Use your contingencies effectively to both buy yourself appropriate time to fully investigate the properties, and to also withdraw from the deal should you discover it’s not what you want.

3. If you will need financing, make it an integral part of your initial research to personally visit with lenders LOCAL to the Target Market you choose. Prior to placing offers, make sure you have ALL the elements of accomplishing your goal firmly in hand.

4. Remember, properties for sale are everywhere, but a “Great Deal” is seldom found just by looking. More times than not, it’s created by your efforts, your understanding of your Target Market, as well as, the elements of doing whatever you decide to do as an investor (and the depth and breadth of your relationships within the business community you select as your Target Market.)

5. Should you decide to invest out of state, please do your due diligence slowly, carefully and deliberately. Be clearly aware of all the Pros and Cons (especially the CONS!) 😉

On the other hand, if you are an experienced investor and are already aware of the specific things I’ve mentioned above, I can tell you this – I would personally stay clear of the Vegas market since I have done research and find it very transient. I personally like the Orlando market (and Florida in general) if you can deal with the gun toting citizens (tenants), senior drivers and the occasional hurricane.

We hope we have been of good service.

Thank you for your question.

Your friend always,
Tony

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Flipping Short Sale Properties

Question:

Tony,
What is the best way for me to learn shorts? There are many in my area—some on mkt for LOTS of days. 😮

I would like to flip them to an investor but am clueless how that all would work—margins, time of assignment—bird dog it. Totally clueless.

Thanks!
ML

Answer:

The short answer is… by doing them.

The long answer is for the most part, Short Sales, are simple if you plan on holding them as long-term rentals and complicated if you want to do anything else (i.e. wholesaling them to other investors.) This is actually a very loaded question because there are too many directions you could go with Short Sales. (Too many moving parts!) Some may end up being profitable in the short run, but problematic in the long run. The problematic part is that if you are hoping to tie up Short Sales without initially closing the purchase escrow and then wholesaling them to other investors (again without closing the initial purchase escrow) you may find yourself being interviewed by an FBI agent about the fact they may consider your actions to be a fraudulent transaction where you are intending to defraud a federally insured lender. Some investors ignore this issue and deal with Short Sales as if they were an REO, and wholesale them without question. Some believe that if they disclose that they are purchasing the property with the intent of re-selling it with a profit that this is sufficient and absolves them from future legal consequences. Keep in mind that we are not talking about what’s fair or about your actual intent, we are simply discussing the possibility of your actions being interpreted by the Feds as fraud. Now, I’m sure there are many investors involved in flipping (wholesaling) as well as retailing Short Sales that have not (to date) experienced any problems whatsoever, however, I took the time to call the FBI and personally interview two agents. After spending two hours with them, the bottom line was when I posed the question, “if I purchase a Short Sale and re-sell it immediately to another investor for a profit, could that be construed as fraud?” Their response, was “absolutely, yes.” So therefore, as I previously mentioned, I only buy Short Sales to hold as rentals for at least 12 months before re-selling them to anyone. Although you may find on the internet plenty of information/advice/suggestions from “investors” on how to flip or wholesale Short Sales, I strongly caution you to do your own due diligence so that you are aware of the potential risk you might be taking which could come back to you bite you years after you’ve spent your Short Sale profit. Keep in mind we pursue Short Sales on a daily basis and buy them often. Many can be negotiated profitably without much trouble. The easiest way to learn and understand what’s involved in the complete process of a Short Sale (from beginning to end) is easily and accurately learned by taking a class offered by a local title company which are typically offered almost every month to Real Estate Agents and anyone else who wants to attend, typically for free or for a nominal fee.

We hope we have been of good service.

Thank you for your question.